The Federalist Society Online Debate Series
Health Care Reform
September 18, 2009
Last Updated at 11:00 AM, Friday, October 27, 2009
The current debate about health care reform is to a significant extent a debate about what role the federal government can and should play in the provision of health care. What is the proper role of the federal government in the patient/physician relationship? Are there aspects of the current health care and insurance relationships now governed by private contract or state regulation that would be better addressed by the federal government? If so, what are they, and why is an increased federal role warranted? Is it possible that what is called for is the opposite approach -- i.e. less regulation and more room for contract? Are there relevant constitutional limits on Congress's powers here and if so, what are they?
The debate will focus on these issues as well as several proposals set forth in competing House and Senate legislation as well as the President's proposals. The participants of this installment of Originally Speaking are John Hoff, David A. Hyman, Timothy S. Jost, John Rother, William M. Sage, Paula M. Stannard, and Peter Urbanowicz.
Peter Urbanowicz
BioThe current debate on health care reform highlights again the historical, political and philosophical differences regarding the proper role and scope of the federal government in addressing significant economic and public policy issues. What is the proper role of the federal government in enacting a federally-backed guarantee to all Americans for health care? Should health care and insurance relationships that are currently governed either by state regulation or private contract be superseded by new federal regulation? Should the federal government play a role in the patient / physician relationship? As health care reform legislation has moved to the forefront of national issues, I am delighted that our esteemed group of contributors has agreed to debate these issues as well as the several proposals set forth in competing House and Senate legislation. Some of the questions and issues we will weigh in on in the coming weeks of debate will hopefully include the following:
The issues to debate are many and the viewpoints manifold. We will endeavor to approach each point and counter-point with facts, reason, civility and (hopefully) a sense of humor. So to the primary issue: "Is there or should there be a ‘right' to health care" guaranteed by the federal government?" Let's go back nearly one year to October 9, 2008, the scene of the second presidential debate between candidates Barack Obama and John McCain. Moderator Tom Brokaw put it bluntly to each candidate: "Is health care in America a privilege, a right, or a responsibility? Senator McCain was measured and said, "I think it's a responsibility, in this respect, in that we should have available and affordable health care to every American citizen, to every family member." Senator Obama was more emphatic: "Well, I think it should be a right for every American. In a country as wealthy as ours, for us to have people who are going bankrupt because they can't pay their medical bills -- for my mother to die of cancer at the age of 53 and have to spend the last months of her life in the hospital room arguing with insurance companies because they're saying that this may be a pre-existing condition and they don't have to pay her treatment, there's something fundamentally wrong about that." President Obama returned to that theme in his speech to the Congress last week: "We are the only advanced democracy on Earth – the only wealthy nation – that allows hardships for millions of its people." There are some legal scholars, who in fact believe that there is a legal right to health care akin to other human rights. They point to various United Nations conventions, statements and treaties that speak to health care as being a fundamental human right that must not only be guaranteed but provided for by the government. And there are religious leaders who advocate a "right" to healthcare. During the health care reform debate of 1993, the United States Conference of Catholic Bishops issued a resolution stating this "simple but fundamental principle" – "Every person has a right to adequate health care. This right flows from the sanctity of human life and the dignity that belongs to all human persons who are made in the image of God. Healthcare is more than a commodity; it is a basic human right, an essential safeguard of human life and dignity." ("A Framework for Comprehensive Health Care Reform: Protecting Human Life, Promoting Human Dignity, Pursuing the Common Good.") Indeed this theological view of health care has over the centuries animated and established systems of hospitals, orphanages and nursing homes by scores of religious denominations and traditions as a matter of faith-based mission. If there is a "right" to healthcare, should it be a legal right or simply remain a moral aspiration. To date, on the legal side in this country, the right to health care has not been recognized as a constitutional right. Perhaps because unlike other rights that are either expressly enumerated and protected by the Constitution – rights to free speech, religious practice, assembly, bearing firearms, etc. and rights against unreasonable search and seizure, etc. – and those rights not expressly enumerated but recognized through Supreme Court decision – right to choice of education, against sterilization, privacy, right to travel, etc. -- the right to healthcare, as it is suggested requires someone, i.e., the government, to pay for it if it can't be paid for by the patient. So as framed, the argument is not really about a "right" to healthcare, or not having health care choices mandated or unduly burdened by the state (see Skinner v. Oklahoma, Roe v. Wade and Cruzan v. Missouri), but a right to have health care paid for or provided by the state if unaffordable or unavailable to the patient. With the exception of the "right to counsel" for the indigent recognized in Gideon v. Wainright, one cannot think of a federal constitutional right that requires mandatory state financing of the exercise of that right, i.e., the right to "free speech" or free exercise of religion does not mandate the state to pay for television stations or church buildings. Indeed the Supreme Court ruled – Maher v. Roe – that state Medicaid programs are not required to pay for abortion procedures, notwithstanding the abortion right recognized in Roe v. Wade. In a similar vein, while the right to a free public primary and secondary education is recognized by most state constitutions, the Supreme Court declined to recognize primary and secondary education as a "fundamental right" in San Antonio Independent School District v. Rodriguez. As British physician Andrew Daniels noted recently: "If there is a right to health care, someone has a duty to provide it. Inevitably that 'someone' is the government." ("Is There a Right to Healthcare? Wall St. Journal, July 28, 2009.) Since the 1960s the way in which we have thought about a "right" to healthcare on the federal level is via entitlement programs – Medicare and Medicaid – which provide medical care and insurance for seniors and for the indigent. But these are entitlements that were created as a matter of budget policy and can be – though quite unlikely ever – eliminated by vote of the Congress. The only other notable federal guarantee of health care came in 1986 via the Emergency Medical Treatment and Active Labor Act ("EMTALA"), which requires that hospitals receiving Medicare or Medicaid funding provide certain "emergency" care – or deliver babies – without regard to the patient's ability to pay. But EMTALA didn't mandate the hospitals to provide the care for free. It directed only that the care be provided before questions were asked about insurance or ability to pay. Once the care is provided, hospitals can still bill for the services, though in most cases such care is written off by hospitals either as "charity care" or uncollectible bad debt. I come down on the side of the view of Dr. Daniels. Making sure everyone has access to affordable health care is good, charitable, and morally right. But in our debate over health care, why should payment for health care be advanced to permanent legal right above other "noble and necessary preconditions of human existence" to use Dr. Daniel's phrase – "such as food, shelter and clothing – which are not guaranteed as rights." Dr. Daniels is a little more emphatic on the point: "[T]he universality of government health care in pursuance of the abstract right to it in Britain has not ensured equality … There is no right to healthcare – any more than there is a right to chicken Kiev every second Thursday of the month." |
Timothy S. Jost
BioIf the question is whether or not there is a constitutional right to health care products and services in the United States, the answer is clearly no (except, ironically, for prisoners (Estelle v. Gamble, 429 US 97 (1976), who have a right to minimal health care under the Eighth Amendment.) There were attempts to establish such a right in the 1970s, but they never got traction. Most of the world's constitutions (about 2/3 according to Eleanor Kinney's study) do provide a right to health or health care, but few have enforced them judicially. A notable exception is the Indian Supreme Court which has recognized an enforceable right under India's right to life clause. A few other countries, such as South Africa, have recognized a limited constitutional right. In most countries, however, the right is merely rhetorical. |
John S. Hoff
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Bio Peter Urbanowicz has well introduced the issues surrounding the concept of a "right to health care." As science and technology advance, health care is increasingly effective, but, at least initially, often at great cost. It is simply a fact that many people cannot afford to pay for their own health care (or more accurately even their allocated share spread through insurance). As a society, we should be–and indeed are–willing to subsidize care for our fellow citizens who cannot pay. But the phrase "right to health care" does not inform the decision on how much and under what circumstances care for some should be subsidized by others. |
William M. Sage
Bio"Is there a right to health care in the United States?" My initial reaction to the first question posed by the hosts of this health care reform debate -- ostensibly to provoke a vigorous intellectual exchange across the political spectrum -- was skeptical. As we have read in previous postings, legal scholars agree that no such right exists. Proponents of a right to health care are portrayed as idealistic do-gooders blind to the hard economic facts of life. Or as limousine liberals. Or as socialists. Compassion, we're told, doesn't win in politics. Instead, show us scoreable savings or at least job creation. So why begin an important discussion of reform with a straw man like a right to health care? |
Paula M. Stannard
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Bio On the issue of whether there is – or ought to be – a right to health care, I side with Peter Urbanowicz and John Hoff. As Peter noted, ensuring that everyone has access to affordable health care is good, charitable, and morally right. But establishing a right to health care in statute means that there is a corresponding obligation on the part of someone – usually the government – to provide it. Once it is accepted that it is the obligation of government to provide health care, we would likely cease to view it as a moral and charitable obligation on ourselves. In my view, this would have a serious impact on the nature of our society. Statutory law is created and exists to impose requirements (mandates) and prohibitions. In this regard, I respectfully disagree with Dr. Sage's statement that we "need Congress to pass a law, but as much for its symbolic achievement as for its statutory text." The purpose of statutory law is to regulate conduct, not to serve as a symbol. Because of this, Congress's primary focus needs to be on clearly defining the requirements and prohibitions to be established in the statutory text. For much the same reason, I also respectfully take issue with Professor Jost's suggestion that "Congress at some point in the very near future recognizes a de facto universal right to health care" and that we would then "figure out what it means in terms of actual Americans in concrete situations." This seems to put the process backwards. If a universal right to health care is to be established in statute, Congress owes it to the American people to clearly spell out the parameters of that proposed right and the corresponding obligation(s), so that Americans – in and out of Congress – can engage in an informed and meaningful debate on the issues associated with such a right and the corresponding obligations. American consumers would not buy a pig in a poke, and Congress should not adopt the legislative equivalent. This is especially important because the adoption of a statute establishing a universal right to health care would not be the end of the process, but only the beginning: the statutory right would be administered and enforced by the executive branch – and potentially by individuals pursuing private rights of action in lawsuits. The courts would inevitably be called upon to interpret the scope of the right to health care and the corresponding obligation(s) of the government to provide, or pay for, that health care. If the statute does not clearly define such a right to health care and the associated obligations, the statute becomes an empty vessel into which almost anything can be placed. As with many tort lawsuits and as with some school desegregation cases (where federal judges ended up mandating school budgets and tax increases), this would result in courts legislating the appropriation and/or allocation of resources for health care on the basis of a case with a sympathetic plaintiff before it. |
William M. Sage
BioWithout intending to be disrespectful to anyone, this train is not heading to the destination I want to reach. My post engaged the "rights" discussion as a route into a meaningful discussion of health policy. I never claimed that a "right" needed to be discovered or enacted. If all we can offer Federalist Society readers about health care reform is generalities about government and rights, there is little point to continuing. I feel the same way about discussions of private lawsuits, which I am surprised to see raised in this context but perhaps shouldn't be. In my extensive work on medical malpractice, I am constantly reminded that some people engage that issue as a matter of health law and policy, while others are interested only in whether individual recourse to courts is good or bad for America's economy and social fabric. The former is my area of expertise and principal concern. Ditto for national health reform legislation. I would have thought that even strict constructionists and Libertarians might want to know why $1.5 trillion of public spending is committed each year in the US for health care with shockingly little to show for it in terms of either health or security. Without health reform, this amount will only increase. But why worry? We can always fire the night watchman. |
Timothy S. Jost
BioJust a quick response to Paula's comments on my comment. I did not mean to imply by my comment that Congress is about to establish a general right to health care without substantive definition or boundaries. As all of us know who have been following this debate closely, the legislation spells out pretty clearly who would get what under the legislation (who is eligible for Medicaid, affordability subsidies, the exchanges, etc.) and who would be bound by what requirements (individual mandate, employer mandate, etc.). Of course, someone will have to implement, administer, and enforce the legislation, but that is why we have the executive branch of government. I hope that the judicial branch will also be there if the executive gets it wrong. I am concerned, however, that the legislation does not clearly spell out procedural rights. There is far too little in the legislation about when, to whom, and under what circumstances determinations can be appealed or reviewed judicially. See Mark Hall and my posts on Georgetown's O'Neill Center's blog discussing this issue. To that extent, I agree entirely with Paula. I expect that if this is not straightened out, there will be a great deal of unnecessary litigation that will not help us solve the problems this legislation is intended to address. |
William M. Sage
BioI certainly agree with Tim. However, let me point out two tensions in any federal health reform legislation with respect to coverage mechanisms and associated procedures. First, the more of a pluralistic character we retain in American health insurance post-reform (i.e., keeping Medicare, Medicaid, employment/ERISA-based coverage, individual insurance, etc.), the more duplication, ambiguity, and uncertainty we can expect in the procedures available to define and enforce the reform. Second, a frighteningly large number of drafting decisions in health reform legislation on this scale are primarily motivated by budgetary accounting rules and associated fiscal politics. Most obviously, direct payment to a government entity in response to a coverage mandate constitutes a tax increase under those rules, which is matched by a government spending increase when a health insurance policy is conferred. By contrast, less direct pass-through of private health insurance funds involving "cooperatives," "exchanges," and similar, often legally ambiguous entities, potentially escape characterization as taxation and improve the political chances of enactment. But it is always the latter that present the more complicated procedural challenges. |
Peter Urbanowicz
BioPublic Option: "Friend" or Foe? (Part 1 of 2) |
Peter Urbanowicz
Bio Public Option: "Friend" or Foe? (Part 2 of 2) The insurer singled out for opprobrium by President Obama in his Congressional speech – "in Alabama, almost 90 percent is controlled by just one company" – is Blue Cross and Blue Shield of Alabama, a state non-profit association. According to filings with the Alabama Commissioner of Insurance, Blue Cross of Alabama collected $3.5 billion in premium revenue in 2007. (The company insures over 3.5 million people including 2 million Alabama residents.) That same year the company reported "general administrative expenses" of $191 million. That equates to about a 5.5 % premium revenue going towards administrative expenses, leaving the company with about $20 million in net operating income. At the same time, because the plan has to meet Alabama capital reserve requirements, a significant amount of money has to be set aside each year to maintain a capital surplus, which at the end of 2007 stood at about $700 million. And, although most of the Blue Cross plans are state "non-profit" associations, they still pay federal income taxes. So the question is: Without a significant on-going federal tax subsidy, or not having to maintain adequate capital reserves, or the ability to "mandate" Medicare / Medicaid style provider reimbursement, how will a public option insurance company be cheaper or less costly than the large number of non-profit health plans already out there? |
Timothy S. Jost
Bio (Part 1 of 2) I agree with Peter that barrels of ink have been spilled over the public option. I seriously doubt that we can add much to what has already been said. Because I am tied up almost the entire weekend, I would refer everyone to Jacob Hacker's posts on the Campaign for America's Future website and elsewhere to carry the weight of my side of the argument. I cannot, however, resist responding briefly to Peter's points. |
Timothy S. Jost
Bio(Part 2 of 2) CRS published a new report this week on insurance markets. I am not sure where your figures are from with respect to Blue Cross of Alabama, but one of the points in the report is that insurers keep three sets of books, one for the IRS, one for insurance regulators, and one for reports to the SEC and other regulators. It is very difficult to definitively say what insurers’ profits and administrative costs are. CRS determined that most of the companies they looked at had medical loss ratios in the 80 - 85% range. I think a public plan could do much better than this. The key to the public plan, however, is using the Medicare network (with a right to opt out) and something close to Medicare rates. The CBO has estimated that a strong public plan would save the federal government $110 billion in premium subsidies alone. If one believes that deficits and taxes are a bad thing, this should be attractive. "Further, my impression is that non-profit blue plans behave just like any other insurer in the market–they impose preexisting conditions clauses, they experience rate, they charge just as high premiums as commercial insurers. It has been decades since nonprofit blue plans operated like charities, a fact that Congress acknowledged when it pulled their exempt status in the 80s, I believe. My assumption is that if we had a public plan paying Medicare rates, providers would become more efficient MedPAC says that providers deliver care much more efficiently in competitive markets where they get paid something close to Medicare rates by private insurers. Private insurers would force down provider prices and hold down their administrative costs. Markets would stabilize at some point, perhaps where they are in Germany where public plans has half the market and the private plans half the market where they are in competition, or perhaps where they are in Australia, 1/3 public, 2/3 private. The thing I don't understand is why free market types who have always thought choice was such a great thing suddenly think it will destroy our health care system. Keep your private insurance if you love it so much. Just let those who want it (which seems to be 55% to 65% of Americans according to recent polls) have a choice. Why is choice such a bad thing? I use the post office to send first class mail, UPS for packages, Fed Ex when I am really in a hurry. All of them serve me very well. If Congress abolished the post office and gave me a subsidy to pay for every letter I sent Fed Ex, I don't think it would be a good expenditure of taxpayer money. I know not everyone loves the post office, but my experience is that I get at least as good service from them as from Fed ex and UPS. Another example is Medicare Advantage, where we now pay $1.14 to deliver services to beneficiaries that traditional Medicare can cover for a $1.00. Unless our policy is based on a religious belief that "markets" can do no wrong and that economists theories always trump reality (which it seems to be), I don't see the point of this. I am afraid we are about to set up yet another system that just pours unlimited federal dollars into dominant insurers that will in turn pour them into dominant providers. I frankly, want to cover the uninsured, but would rather spend my money on other things than giving it to insurers and providers. |
William M. Sage
BioThis is an issue with respect to which a comparison with the 1993 reform effort is instructive. In both reform proposals, a Medicare-like option was included. Then as now, there were indeed many on the "single-payer left" who thought that such an option would prove naturally superior, while others who favored competition believed that a substantial subsidy for the Medicare-like option would be required for its survival and would be politically irresistible. For the record, I favored unassisted competition in 1993 but I would prefer a "public option" now. My reason is that the experience over the past 15 years with insurer competition has been extremely disappointing in terms of investment in health or improvement of the health care delivery system |
Peter Urbanowicz
Bio(Part 1 of 3) First, let me address Dr. Sage's well taken animal husbandry point before we get back to healthcare. I will stipulate for the record that neither horses nor camels are cloven hoofed creatures. Clearly I was so taken with Paula Stannard's instruction that we not buy a "pig in a poke" when it comes to health care reform, that I became entranced with cloven-hoofed metaphors to the detriment of proper zoological nomenclature. The Milliman report said that in 2006 Medicare paid $48 billion dollars less to hospitals and doctors than it would have paid if it had to pay the same market rates that private insurance plans paid. In that same year state Medicaid programs paid almost $40 billion less to hospitals and doctors than they would have paid had they had to pay prevailing, private market rates. In contrast private insurance companies wound up subsidizing hospitals over $88 billion dollars for the under-payments made by the Medicare and Medicaid programs. So, if the public option paid out Medicare or Medicaid rates to doctors and hospitals we’d see costs go up even more for the remaining private insurance companies. On this one you don’t have to buy the opinion of an ungulate metaphor lover. It comes from a September 15, 2009 study from Dr. Allen Dobson and Dr. Joan DaVanzo, two eminent health care policy experts. Dobson and DaVanzo concluded that: "Introducing a government-run health insurance plan could cause hospitals to shift a new financial burden onto patients with private insurance, raising premiums for those who already have coverage." |
Peter Urbanowicz
Bio(Part 2 of 3) In addition to stipulating on the issue of cloven hoofs, I’m perfectly willing to stipulate that the current health care system does not come close to approximating an efficient market. The presence of government payors and employer payors has seriously distorted the pricing of health care goods and services. As long as someone else – Medicare, Medicaid or a private employer’s health plan – is paying the bill in large part, a consumer or patient is not really engaging in a market based transaction. A public option would only continue to eliminate any trace of the free market in health care delivery. |
Peter Urbanowicz
Bio(Part 3 of 3) When I was in the government I was both a proponent and consumer of "consumer based health." I signed up for a high deductible health plan that at the beginning of the plan year issued a credit of $2,000 to each family. We could use that $2,000 to go to the doctor or the dentist or get a prescription. Then we had a largely uninsured piece of between $2,000 and $5,000 where we were largely on our own, self-insured except for major hospitalizations. So we wound up being good consumers and shopping for our care, careful to stay within our $2,000 allowance. A convenient dentist downtown in D.C. by my office was charging $300 for teeth cleaning. My wife found another very capable dentist in who was very happy to do a cleaning for $50. So guess where we drove to get our teeth cleaned?
I fear that a public option operating in such a manner would only further exacerbate the way in which our current public programs – Medicare and Medicaid – are currently constructed and that the entirety of the health care system would be run by a "big dumb price fixer." |
Timothy S. Jost
BioCost shifting has never made sense to me as a matter of simple economics. If hospitals are able to raise their prices for private insurers, why would they wait to do so until Medicare underpaid them? Why not simply charge insurers the highest price they can get away with to begin with? And why would insurers pay the higher prices that are shifted to them? Why not push the providers to give them the same rate Medicare does? It seems to me that what is going on is that hospitals are simply getting the highest price they can from insurers in markets they dominate, and would do so in any event. If Medicare prices went up next year, would the hospitals immediately cut the prices they charge other insurers? The empirical evidence of cost-shifting is also not universally accepted. MedPAC argues that cost shifting is not a real problem–in competitive markets insurers pay prices close to the Medicare rate and efficient hospitals do fine. In concentrated markets, the hospitals charge high prices and insurers pay them. The CBO is also quite skeptical of the cost-shift argument, as is, I believe, the GAO. Insurers just find it easier to pass on high prices to employers and individuals than to bargain hard with providers. I do agree, however, that we have to get a handle on utilization as well as price, and that Medicare could learn from private insurers on that account. As to consumer-driven health care, I wrote a book on that, Health Care at Risk: A Critique of the Consumer-Driven Movement (Duke U. Press 2007), and the 500 word limit precludes me from repeating it here. |
Peter Urbanowicz
Bio(Part 1 of 2) I'm no economist, but over the last 20 years I've negotiated personally with scores of insurance companies on behalf of hospitals and doctors, and can assure you that hospitals and doctors try to get every penny they are entitled to from insurance companies. I've also been on the insurance company side and can vouch for the tenaciousness of their negotiators; they don't roll over and pay any price a doctor or hospital asks for just because they can pass it along to employers. There is actually a competitive market out there for health insurance and employers look for the insurer with the lowest rates and the best network of hospitals and doctors. Both hospitals and insurance companies negotiate vigorously with each other as you would expect parties to in a free market transaction. I can't think of a single instance in which the insurance companies paid anything close to the prevailing Medicare reimbursement rate. |
Peter Urbanowicz
William M. Sage
BioPeter, let me begin by saying that I agree with you about hospital-physician-insurer negotiations generally occurring in competitive markets. Bargaining power has swung from one "side" to the other over the years and back again – favoring insurers in the 1980s and early 1990s after DRGs and selective contracting revealed substantial excess capacity, then favoring providers in the late 1990s after hospitals consolidated and managed care lost public acceptance. But markets have been competitive. |
Timothy S. Jost
BioI'm not an economist either, but I cannot for the life of me understand why a seller would keep selling a product to a buyer if it was losing $5,000 on every $5,000 sale, even if the buyer was its biggest customer. No one is legally compelled to participate in Medicare. Exempt hospitals that dropped out would possibly lose their tax exemptions, but exempt status is not worth that much. And physicians do not even have that to worry about, yet the latest MedPAC study found that Medicare beneficiaries had an easier time finding a doctor than privately insured patients. What is going on here is simple price discrimination, which happens in lots of industries without government participation. Providers are rational profit maximizers, and they are getting the best price they can out of every buyer in the market—Medicare pays the least; the Blues, United, and Cigna pay a little more; small insurers pay even more (which is why they cannot compete with the market-dominant insurers), and the uninsured and those with "consumer-driven" accounts get creamed. But this is not cost shifting. Again, MedPAC, the CBO, and the GAO have studied this and have not confirmed the cost-shifting hypothesis. It is just one of those health care policy zombies like defensive medicine causing our health care cost crisis that gets disproved over and over again yet that everyone still believes. Just a couple of other comments to stay within my 500 word limit. First, this is the first time I have heard of anyone referring to the days of charge and cost based reimbursement as the halcyon days of market-driven competition. Most commentators think that Medicare got taken to the cleaners and would have ended years ago had not that socialist Ronald Reagan finally moved to administered prices (see Bill's post). Second, the courts have long held Section 1801 to be merely hortatory and to not have a substantive effect, but it clearly does not affect the amount Medicare pays for services. It could arguably affect strategies like pay for performance or accountable care systems, and I have advocated that it be amended to state that the task of the Medicare program is to secure high quality care for its beneficiaries at affordable costs. Finally, price regulation in health care does not bother me, given the pervasive market failures in the area. It works quite well in Maryland and in other countries. Granted, there are always problems with pegging some prices too high and others too low, and with political interference. But things could hardly get worse than they are today, with the highest cost health care system in the world, average or worse quality of care, and 50 million uninsured. |
Timothy S. Jost
BioOn another topic we have touched on a couple of times, I would refer all to a report on a Georgetown symposium yesterday on medical malpractice in which our (to date unusually quiet) colleague David Hyman participated, which once again noted that medical malpractice is not the cause of our health care cost crisis (http://www.mcclatchydc.com/economy/story/76639.html). |
David A. Hyman
BioI've not posted to date, because I don't have any comparative advantage in discussions about justice and rights, and such topics generally give me a headache. I'm glad to see we are moving to more concrete topics. Let me flag a couple more.
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Timothy S. Jost
BioGood to hear from you David. On your first issue, I think that a better comparison is Newt Gingrich's Republican Congress threatening to revoke the tax exempt status of AARP when it criticized the Republican's attempt to privatize Medicare in 1995. I am not a first Amendment expert, but my recollection is that the Supreme Court upheld federal regulation prohibiting doctors who received federal funds from discussing abortion with their patients (Rust v. Sullivan). Humana is a Medicare contractor and its communications with its members using Medicare's membership lists are subject to control by Medicare. If it doesn't like these restrictions, it doesn't have to take federal funds. Second, Medicare in fact saved a boatload of money in the late 1990s when it cracked down on health care fraud and abusive billing—in one year Medicare's costs did not grow at all. Provider push back stemmed the enforcement efforts, but enforcement is worth trying again. I agree with David, however, that this is not a magic bullet. |
Timothy S. Jost
BioOn the question of cost shift versus price differentials, see Austin Frakt's post of October 5 (http://theincidentaleconomist.com/price-differentials-are-not-evidence-of-cost-shifting/). His argument is persuasive to me, at least, that the case of cost shifting has not been made, and in particular that the Milliman report, which was funded by the health insurance industry, does not make the case. But then I am pretty easy to persuade on this point. |
William M. Sage
BioTim is correct regarding Rust v. Sullivan, which (at least as it has been interpreted in subsequent Supreme Court decisions) held that the government can subsidize whatever speech it wants, and can prevent those parties it subsidizes from conveying messages it disfavors. So the government clearly can instruct Medicare contractors regarding the content of speech within the scope of their contracts, which I would think includes using the government's mailing lists. I am taking time off from discussing much more pressing health reform issues to contribute this for two reasons. First, in the class on professions and professionals I teach every year to a combined group of law students and medical students, I have them compare Rust to Legal Service Corp. v. Velazquez, in which the Court held that lawyers and doctors were different (specifically, that the government could not limit speech by publicly funded legal services lawyers). Second, this is one of the rare instances in which I am qualified to express an opinion on constitutional law, so why not show off a bit?
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John S. Hoff
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Bio I would like to pick up the thread of the earlier postings of Dr. Sage and Prof. Jost. They decry a lack of competition among private health insurers, are dissatisfied with the way insurers have operated, and do not believe, because of obstacles to entry and insurers' incentives to avoid the sick, that effective competition among private insurers is foreseeably possible. They seem to throw in the towel with respect to enhancing competition among private plans and instead support giving the public the additional choice of the public option (meaning a federally operated insurance plan). This, Prof. Jost says, would be like the current competition among the U.S. Postal Service, UPS, and FedEx. This analogy has been used frequently in the debate, but repetition has not explained how going postal relates to the role envisioned for the federal insurance plan. The Post Office (unlike federally operated insurance, is explicitly authorized by the Constitution) has a statutory monopoly for non-urgent mail; one cannot choose between it and FedEx for a letter that is non-urgent. Even if there were choice among these three services, this would not fit the health care world; a patient would not be permitted to choose different insurance plans for different illnesses. It also bears remembering that the Post Office was converted to semi-private status when its government structure proved unacceptably inefficient. Even under its more private status, there is still significant government subsidization and not infrequent calls for more. The most important lesson is that the Post Office did not develop a service like FedEx; it took a private, profit-driven entity to innovate, using the small loophole in the statutory monopoly enjoyed by USPS. Prof. Jost asks why "free market types" are suspicious of giving people a choice that includes a government insurance plan. But as I discussed in a Heritage Foundation Backgrounder (see http://www.heritage.org/Research/HealthCare/bg2311.cfm), the competition would not be held on a level playing field (as the rhetoric used to defend the public option would have it). The government plan would not be subject to the same regulatory requirements, would not pay taxes, and uniquely would have the size and the legislative authority to impose fees for providers that could be lower than market rates. (Prof. Jost says this would be a good thing.) With these advantages, the government plan is likely to capture much of the insurance business from private insurers, resulting in a de facto single payer. Advocates of the pending bills (and, it seems our correspondents as well) do not consider how the current private insurance system can be made more competitive and more responsive to consumer needs—for instance, by consumer choice of plans (not homogenized by the regulation envisioned in the reform bill), individual ownership of insurance, longer term relationships between insurer and member, competition across state lines, high risk pools, rules on guaranteed renewability, etc. Instead of trying to improve competition, the advocates of the bills would turn health care over to a government insurance plan which would be (a) a monopoly with greater power than any private plan could have and (b) a government agency. While it might well be able to impose lower fees, this would adversely affect access to care. Already, it is often difficult for Medicaid patients to find a doctor, and providers increasingly are turning away Medicare beneficiaries. The Mayo Clinic has just announced such limitations. Reimbursement cuts in the bill would make this worse, and people who choose the public option would face the same obstacles. Health care would be politicized and bureaucratized. People would have little choice. There would be less innovation, flexibility, and responsiveness to consumer interests (any change would have to go through a rule-making or legislative process). It is doubly ironic that bemoaning the lack of competition in the insurance market, the proponents of the pending bills would create a new monopoly that, being a government agency, is likely to be like the Post Office in the old days before semi-privatization, and without the escape hatch than enables FedEx. |
John S. Hoff
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Bio I would like to return to Paula Stannard's point that action on the pending reform bills is like buying a pig in a poke. First, I must note that the pig at least does correctly fit within Peter Urbanowicz's cloven-hoofed metaphors (although the point of the expression is that the poke contains a cat rather than the promised pig). Also, it should be emphasized that the notion, as has been suggested in this discussion by Dr. Sage, that we enact legislation for its symbolic value is truly troublesome. Courts would be asked to interpret legislation that has been passed as a symbol? One can only begin to imagine the undemocratic consequences. But back to Paula Stannard's observation. The bills are indeed pigs in a poke. At each step, the Members—and the public—have not had a meaningful opportunity to read and study the bill before it is considered by committee. (This process is even worse with respect to the Finance Committee bill, since the committee is forging ahead even in the absence of legislative language!) It seems this process will continue, and it is likely that the bill to be considered by the Senate will not be available until shortly before the debate begins. It is going to be something of a shell game—while various bills are discussed, one can reasonably predict that the one to be debated and voted on will remain hidden until the last minute. (What have we come to that even allowing for a mere 72 hours to read the bill is considered controversial?) If a bill is enacted, the cat will be let out of the poke and the citizenry (and the Members themselves) will begin to understand the result; at that point, Congress may well come to regret passage of a bill without a full public airing. The pig in a poke characterization goes beyond the fact that the public will not have understood what is in the bill before it is passed. As a matter of substance, the bill would leave many major issues unresolved. It would create an infrastructure that gives the executive branch, and ultimately the courts, undefined, but clearly very broad, authority over the health care system. It is true, as Prof. Jost points out, that the bill will specify who will be covered by Medicaid, etc. It is specific on the coverage and subsidy issues that can be quantified. But the bill goes much farther into the nuts and bolts of insurance and health care delivery, and leaves many of the real-world questions unresolved. Just a small sampling drawn from the several bills now available: the Secretary is to determine what treatments must be covered by qualified plans; there is to be an independent Medicare Commission to recommend reductions in expenditures to meet targets that could go into effect automatically; the risk-adjustment mechanism is not defined; the Health Choices Commissioner is given blanket authority to set uniform marketing standards; the Commissioner is obligated to enter into contracts with plans but there are no limits on what he can require of them; the preventive services for which no deductible is permitted would be determined by the administration (will follow-on diagnostics resulting from preventive care also be subject to the same limitation?); the reimbursement mechanism under the government plan can be determined by the administration (there is authority for it to undertake "innovative" payment mechanisms); what will be the role of state insurance commissioners vis-a-vis the federal government? These are just a few of the open-ended questions left to the administration; many more would come to the fore if it passes when efforts are made actually too implement the legislation. The bill sets in place a matrix for unprecedented (and currently not understood) regulation of the health care system; it would be filled in administratively. The bills proffer a pig in a poke that is actually a cat on steroids. |
Timothy S. Jost
BioI will respond to John's first post later when I have time, but would like to respond to this one quickly. I share this concern to some extent, particularly with the Senate Finance Committee bill. Indeed I complained in a Politico blog this morning that it is very difficult to figure out what the Finance Committee bill in fact says because it has not yet been reduced to legislative language. Apparently, however, it is a tradition of the Finance Committee to deal with "plain English" descriptions of legislation rather than the legislation itself, so this is not a problem unique to this bill. |
William M. Sage
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Peter Urbanowicz
Bio(Part 1 of 2) This is the last post I'll make about the public option for now. I want to address just two points that continue to get glossed over. First is the unlevel playing field that will result from the entrance of a government subsidized "insurer." The public option will begin with two distinct advantages over private insurers: First, all of the capital necessary to organize and fund the enterprise will come from the government. It will be the cheapest capital you can ever get, even better than capital infusion deal that Citibank and AIG received because presumably it will never have to be repaid to the government. Second, it will be able to dictate prices by imposing the Medicare fee schedule. Fine, you say. Don't contract with the public option if you are a hospital or doctor and don't like the rates. Easy to say now. Not so easy when the public option covers 10, 20, or 50 million Americans. |
Peter Urbanowicz
Bio(Part 2 of 2) If you are trying to reduce costs and create more "choices" in health care why stop with a public option for health insurance? What about public option hospitals? Public option pharmaceutical and device manufacturers? Public option doctors? Why should we be beholden to Merck for buying our Liptor? Why not a public option pharmaceutical company that is given the legal authority to circumvent patents and start manufacturing generic Lipitor today? Why not appropriate funds to buy up all of the for-profit and not-for-profit hospitals out there – or at least some of them – and operate them like the public insurance option? And why not offer federal employment to all physicians who are interested in joining the Public Option Clinic? The public option insurance company is a slippery slope (sorry to use that shop-worn legal cliché, but it’s the best available.) Once you have decided that the federal government should enter the health insurance market to provide additional "choice" and "competition" why stop there? If a public insurance company is good, public hospitals, public doctors and public pharmaceutical and device companies can only be better. One last thought: there was a story in the New York Times on Sunday about a 51 year old AIDS patient in New York, who founded POZ magazine for HIV positive people and AIDS patients. The gist of his story was that he couldn’t believe he was alive today. He was diagnosed as HIV positive in 1985. Over the years, he lost countless friends to AIDS. By all accounts he believes he should have been dead 20 years ago. But he counted himself lucky enough to survive to 1996, when many of the new protease inhibitor drugs were coming on the market. Yes they were expensive, but they worked. Yes there have been billions of federal dollars appropriated in the last 25 years for AIDS research, but there have been billions of dollars more spent by pharmaceutical companies in search of a cure for AIDS. I know, I know, the next rejoinder is going to be: "What about all of the people who died of AIDS in the last 25 years because they didn’t have health insurance?" But what of the thousands and millions who lived because of the drug companies who invented the drugs and the insurance companies that paid for the drugs? One wonders if we would have made such strides in combating AIDS in a more public / federally-run system? Would a drug company have expended billions of dollars on research and development on the cost of a drug that they might never have been able to profit from? Say what you will about the pursuit of profits by drug or insurance companies, but would we have made such advances in AIDS treatments – or would we have invented Liptor – under a more heavy-handed, price-fixing government-directed health care system? I’m betting not. |
Timothy S. Jost
BioOn a morning when the prospects for a public plan look better than they have for some time, let me defend it (although I do not expect to change minds). First, it will not get free capital from the government. The legislation provides for a loan to the public plan to be amortized over ten years. At a time when many private businesses in the United States are living off of government loans, it does not seem unfair to loan money to a "public" plan. Second, I don't see why the number of people participating in a public plan should determine whether providers participate in it or not. If they can make money from it they will. If they lose money by participating, they should not. There is no reason why the chance to lose money on more patients should make participation more likely. |

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